Map release: Void - experimental open range map


#1

Void

I finished an old map i started back in the edge days. Its an attempt to play trem in an open field with two bases. It has probly very bad performance but its nice to look at it.

Download: http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=03019350506183144076


#2

It looks great. Sadly I will not be able to play/test it in the near future or even in the distant future (For about 6 months only).
I have too much on hand lately and with my new job I come back home too late to be able to do anything else beside go to sleep and maybe check the forums for a few minutes.

But yea, it looks amazing.
As for the performances I am pretty sure tremulous can handle such map without too much problem, but maybe an adjustment to the engine might be required as such map will be highly needed in my opinion in the future or at least before announcements of any sort should be done.


#3

Very awesome map :smiley: ! I’m looking forward to trying this with matches.

I did notice a couple of minor bugs so far.

  • There is a sound error: WARNING: music file sounds/void_amb.wav is not 22k stereo.

  • It seems that everything outside of the alien base is labeled as “Human Base”.

I do have a couple of initial feature suggestions (although since I didn’t get to play this map yet, these might not be needed):

  • It might be cool to have one or 2 or 3 other empty bases, similar in design to the alien and human default bases, that could be conquered by either team.

  • Perhaps it would be good to have somewhat of an underground tunnel/cave network, that may or may not be connected to any/some/all/none surface buildings.


#4

Looks a lot like the map Mars in Xonotic that was open ranged. Loved that map, but it did get low frames per second, even in Xonotic. I think there might be a way to enhance its performance though. Awesome looking map :slightly_smiling_face:

It would also be nice to see planet like maps where you can go all the way around back to where you were standing, like a scaled down version of planets like Roku San(a fictional bug planet in StarShip Troopers three Marauder). Smaller maps could even be made with slightly less gravity if they were wrapped around a sphere like a planet. Great map, I like it :+1:


#5

I get about 90 fps on this map with my old laptop, so I don’t think that is going to be an issue on this map :slight_smile: .


#6

Very nice, the Xonotic map must have had other reasons for such low FPS rates. Glad to see this one will be faster :slight_smile:


#7

Thanks for all replies. I don’t have an old machine to test this map on so i can’t say anything about performance on old machines. This kind of map has big issues with VIS portals in the first place. The q3map2 compiler cant handle as much portal that would be produced if the terrain would be structural. Therefore the only structual elements are mainly the small bases. What this means is that player clients render the whole map terrain. I reduced the polycount a bit by using a foghull. So very far structures are ‘blendout’ and are not rendered. The fog is supposed to hide these artifacts. It works for the most parts but sometimes it looks weird and players see errors like missing planes etc. Unfortunately we have to deal with this. A fix would be to remove this feature wich would result in even more polycount values.

Adding more details to this map would be nice but im not sure if this would make sense, performance-wise.

I saw this error but i didnt care because the file is working and i hadn’t the nerve to edit it.

I will add more entities to fix this. Or even remove them all.

There is a very big playable part on the surface. I’m strongly against adding more places wich would make this map really big. Players dont like walking around and not finding anyone. I’m more in favor of reducing the playable area.


#8

Void is now available to play on the GrangerLab server and on the Unitremia server.

Fair point. Although I still think it may be fun to have one or two more buildings like the default bases, placed in remote spots, but initially uninhabited, as options for either team to take control of. But it is probably a good idea to see how the current layout plays in actual matches at the dev games tomorrow first, before considering such additions.

It seems that the only real issue with it (that I notice currently) is that the error message can get a bit spammy.

I guess we’ll see if players with older computers report any issues. But I have tried the map on my crappy low end laptop that is over 3 years old, and I didn’t notice any significant performance issues.


#9

I was thinking the same but stopped because of the vis problems i encountered. And dont forget that your testing was without any players or props.


#10

We managed to play a few matches with this map on Unitremia today. I enjoyed playing the map (I played only aliens on it so far).

So far I didn’t notice anyone reporting issues with performance. One of the players has a 2009 computer (although he did say that it wasn’t low end for its time), and he said he was getting 90 fps, which is what he has it capped at.

some players did say they had trouble finding their way around in the desert, I think some distinguishable land marks in different areas should help with that. @Edaq recommended a hovering structure at the middile area that could be competed over for a forward location. I still think that there should also be at least one other “conventional base building” like the default bases located at one of the remote spots.

Robsteranium suggested that the map should perhaps be smaller, I’m not sure if it should be or not, but imo one or two additional structures as base location options should still work well whether the map remains its current size, or if it is somewhat smaller.


#11

Very awesome map! I realized that this map does running smoothly in my PC. Also it’s HUGE terrain places, I can’t find any enemies or bases while on playing. :joy:


#12

Very nice work, but walking for humans is too much, i suggest adding some way of moving without having to cross the desert, maybe jump pads or teleports or some kind of train.

It could also do well with some more hallmarks, such as some rocks and plants, maybe a oasis would do well.

I like the design of the bunkers too, a little basic but no less has good potential.


#13

After further reflection, I would like to note some of the things that I especially like about this map:

  • I like both the inside and outside layouts of the bunker bases. So far they seem to work out very well for both the humans and aliens. Even with one team inside, and the other team outside of the same bunker base. Maybe more could be done with the design of those bunker bases (maybe there could be some variation in the design of the layout of two bunkers, making the instances more distinct from each other), but they are pretty good currently as is. I especially think that it would work well to have one or two other instances of those bunker bases, initially uninhabited, as another option for either team to take control of.

  • I like how the dunes/hills are such that while the outside is a lot of open space, you could still take cover and even build a base/forward for both aliens and humans. Aliens actually won some matches by building outside in the “hidden valleys” (no relation to the salad dressing :wink: ), Also a few times humans tried “hill top bases”, which worked out for them winning a couple of matches, and still in at least one match aliens managed to defeat that kind of human base.

  • From my experience with the map so far, I do think it is good that all combat occurs on the surface or at the bunker bases, rather than in underground tunnels, it is a nice change from other maps where outside areas tend to be avoided for combat. So yeah, I think it is a good idea to generally avoid underground tunnels for this map. With that said, still perhaps it could be good to have a single cave in one of the areas that could be used as a base location option (which would make whichever particular area used for that, more distinct as well :wink: ).

I don’t think a jump pad would fit this map well, it may break the immersion of the theme. teleporter or a train could fit in that regard. Although humans can still build and use their own teleporter buildables (that can be destroyed). If any transportation aid is built into the map, I think a train or some other kind of moving platform would be best. But still caution should be taken in adding any transportation aid for this particular map as to not take away the aliens’ ability to escape, to sneak up for attacks, and at least momentarily hide a base/forward to a certain extent. However, I should mention that I haven’t really played the map much on humans yet, I have mostly been enjoying the map on the alien team. But perhaps a better solution would be to make the map a bit smaller.

I was thinking too that an oasis might be good to have in one of the areas.


#14

I thought of a possible approach to an addition to the map, I’m not sure ifit is the way to go however. Lets say that there were two other bunkers on the map, but each one was essentially designated as an “outpost” for one “default bunker base”. They could be tied together as pairs by perhaps teleporter rooms inside the bunkers, or perhaps teleporters on the outside pads that are adjacent to the bunkers, or those pads could be the boarding stations for trains (there could be some tunnels that go straight through the dunes/hills that might be in the way of their paths, those tunnels obviously won’t be safe to build in, but could still be used as a path to walk through by either team when a train isn’t using them). So there would be an alien “default bunker base” connected to an alien “outpost bunker”, and a human “default bunker base” connected to a human “outpost bunker”.

Another possibility is to have all of the pads of all of the bunkers connected by trains, I’m not sure if that would be better than having two separate sets of a “default base bunker”, an “outpost bunker”, “boarding pads”, and a train/track(or teleporters).


#15

The file isn’t working, in that it doesn’t play due to too high of a sample rate (44.8 Khz instead of 44.1 or lower). With your permission @yalt I can downsample it in Audacity and repackage the map pk3, is that cool?


#16

Some older PC/laptop doesn’t support 48/96KHz for DAC sound card, so I suggest to put those all sample rate as 44.1KHz.

@yalt If any still have issue with those sounds, I’ll help you to fix these sounds for older PC/laptop support. :wink: